An excerpt from the interview below that William Ramsey did with author David Livingstone:
"Livingstone: So this is the period, a whole gap, a chapter in history, which from what I've seen, has been completely forgotten in usual explorations of occult history. This is basically the period of Spain. Of course, Spain at the time for a period was under Muslim domination, there was also a large Jewish community. And the particular Muslim approach to minorities allowed the Jews to basically flourish at that time. In fact the 9th and 10th centuries of Spain are considered the Golden Age of Judaism.
So this is the community that really gives birth and allows the Kabbalah to emerge.
And so what happened is that the Templars are arrested. Where they survive is in Spain. And they survive into a number of Orders like the Order of Montesa, the Order of Calatrava, the Order of Santiago, and most importantly the Order of Christ.
Ramsey: That’s super influential, the Kabbalah. In my last interview we were just talking about the Kabbalah. And apparently Jews at that time considered themselves the best under the Muslims, not under the Christians. They thought if they just pay the Jizya they were actually more free than what happened later in Spain, right?
Livingstone: Yeah, exactly. The Jews themselves call it the Golden Age of Judaism.
So, the Order of Christ basically becomes responsible for the Age of Exploration, beginning out of Portugal, particularly with a guy named Prince Henry the Navigator.
And so these families now are all connected to the bloodline, Grail bloodlines in England, and France. And this is where you get the birth of several important families. What's important to remember is all these families claimed descent from the Kingdom of Jerusalem, the hereditary Kings of Jerusalem. This is beside the fact Jerusalem was lost to the Muslims, but they continued to carry their title. It's important to understand that these are families that claim descent from King David. It's the Davidic bloodline.
So with all these families, the Kabbalah, the conspiracy, the whole purpose of it is to fulfill Bible prophecy in their version of it. And that Bible prophecy basically entails the arrival of the Messiah who then fights Gog and Magog, establishing a world kingdom based out of Jerusalem, and the rebuilding of the Third Temple.
That's why the Templars named themselves Templars. And that's also why the Masons call themselves Masons, because allegorically they're rebuilding the Third Temple of Jerusalem.
So that's why these families are preserving this line of descent, because they believe from them the Messiah is going to come.
Video Title: Esoteric Nazism from his book Ordo Ab Chao with Author David Livingstone. (2021). Source: William Ramsey Investigates. Date Published: November 15, 2025.
